August 19, 2010Head of delegation Kurdish negotiator confirms that the signs of a breakthrough on the horizon
Shaways: Partnership differ from quotas and our potential with those who agree with us on 80 percent of the bids
بغداد – احمد العبيدي BAGHDAD - Ahmed al-Obeidi
Deputy Prime Minister and Head of the negotiating team for coalition blocs Kurdistan Rose Nuri Shaways that national partnership that is intended to put together the next government is different from the principle of quotas, declaring that the Kurds Sithalfon with the cluster in which they find a convergence of views, with 80 percent or more, according to proposals put forward by negotiating team.
Shaways said in an exclusive interview with »Sabah» The working paper included proposals Kurdish debatable depends on the Constitution and the principles of partnership and consensus, once again stuck Kurds Bmarcham for the presidency of President Jalal Talabani.
He also announced the start of a breakthrough in forming a government, noting that the ministry before the next great challenges, notably the services file, as it expressed concern that there comes a time when one does not accept to be appointed to the Ministry of Electricity Ministry or other service.
Project file and on the International Covenant, it was revealed Deputy Prime Minister for initiating an important amendments to the project, in the forefront of that run by Iraq.
The following is the text of the meeting:
• There is frustration in the Iraqi street by the delayed formation of the government, offset by the current negotiations question is serious or is it still in the exploratory stages and put conditions?
Delay in forming the government, because of the obstacles that have accompanied or followed the announcement of election results and the convergence between the blocs, either the current talks are serious and are based on two main points: the agreement on a candidate for prime minister, since all demand that the office of the share, and thus became the Kurds are playing a key role to bring the views between the blocks, either the other side of the discussions focuses on the basic principles and mechanism of the government and state institutions to achieve the national partnership.
• Some say that the principle of partnership will eliminate the role of the real opposition within the parliament?
We believe that the situation in Iraq is a sensitive and under these circumstances facing the country, come party and became an opponent amid the participation of all, the opposition going to be a negative role, because the interests of Iraq are overcoming the difficulties and out of the bottleneck based on the principle of national partnership, and then minimize the harm probably the case when facing future challenges, we have asked the government to be the next government of national partnership.
• How to Tell the partnership do you think?
Through the creation of new institutions and the distribution of powers, provided they do not conflict with the Constitution and that is one of our principles, and that the partnership should be in the cabinet depending on the internal system highlights the power and emphasizes teamwork, and this part of the proposals Kurdish we believe will bring the different points of view and will produce find participants for networking and understanding in the way of forming a government.
• But some observers say the partnership is another form of quotas?
Partnership differ from quotas, as the principle of true partnership is the balance, while the quota system is similar to the experience of Lebanon and the distribution of positions of nationalities and creeds, while the partnership that we advocate are equitably shared responsibility and partnership in decision-making.
• In the absence of real opposition in parliament and forming a government involving all parties, how will monitor and hold accountable those responsible negligent in their work?
The accounting and control should not be sent by the ill-treatment by block another, or defense official as falling short, we do not support this, as there are institutions in the country especially to monitor the work of those responsible and hold them accountable, and there within the Council of Representatives mechanisms to hold accountable minister negligent, as well In addition, the Partnership for Atghei duty of control enjoyed by the House of Representatives over the executive, and even if there was a government partnership must be based on the monitoring role of the objective.
• There are those who accuse the Kurds that they exploit the difference Arab - Arab to launch their own terms, and others say that the Kurds are waiting for an opportunity for an alliance with the biggest bloc, while critical of a number of Kurds, the Kurdistan Alliance bloc for staying away in time for negotiations to form a government?
At first there was an absence of the role of the Kurds because of the circumstances that accompanied the announcement of election results and then recount the votes counting and the ratification of the names of the new deputies, but when the parliamentary session began Kurdish delegation negotiating moves wide and presented a paper proposals, and then developed, and met with all the blocks and winning lists , but the Kurds not waiting for the strong to put up their own terms, or waiting to be certain that, as the Kurds is now trying to contribute in support of the democratic experiment, and they are Iraqis have the right to come up with proposals, particularly that these proposals are based on the Constitution and the principles of partnership and compromise is an essential part of Most of the demands of the political blocs.
• Are these proposals or demands are negotiable?
These demands are viable proposals for discussion and interpretation and agreed upon.
• If rejected the other blocs part of these proposals what will be your reaction, and if approved blocks on these proposals as part or whole with the Stthalfon?
We presented these proposals to the President of the Supreme Council of the Islamic al-Hakim and the candidates for the post of prime minister, to find out personal opinion and official to these proposals, in the case of blocs agreed to these proposals will be a road map, if there is to admit some of them refused to another department, it is our coordination with a particular party over another party according to the degree of acceptance, do not rule out that the decision Kurdish official to coordinate and work together to form a partnership government with the party line and his views with us by 80 percent or more, either in the event of the refusal blocks our demands fully Moshir .
• Kurdistan leader Massoud Barzani said more than once on the need to implement Article 140 of the Constitution is a prerequisite for the Alliance?
The position of President Barzani is with those who abide by the constitution as a whole and not as part of the non-selective or a particular interpretation.
• But Mr. Barzani said the Kurds Sithalfon veterans with their allies?
We consider our allies from the days we participated opposition and not just today.
• But some say that your allies are the Islamic Supreme Council and Dawa?
Dr. Iyad Allawi is also an old ally has been involved in the establishment of the modern state with us and other allies are there for us.
• If the blocks have reached an agreement to form a government, did not agree upon a certain block, what would be your position, especially with your attachment to the principle of partnership?
We are against the marginalization and exclusion, and the policy declared by all, was the formation of a government national partnership, it is important that everyone working on this direction, although in practice it could insist block on a certain position, and then the train to form a government will not stop, as it can not remain Talks are going on forever, especially since the delay affects the lives of the Iraqi people.
• Some observers believe that the political blocs have become over the Constitution, what is your comment?
Unfortunately there is a constitutional violation, and should have been not getting, although some may say: "The necessities justify the Mahaddourat, but for the Constitution, it provides clear deadlines for the formation of the Government, as there is no agreement on reference interpret the Constitution.
If we look for the reason of the late President of the Government it is the cluster that forms a government, Vaerakip adhere to this and the National Alliance does so well.
• Hdhirtm by the duration of an external intervention in case of delayed formation of the Cabinet, you have reached the signals you do it?
Interventions are by all parties, it was announced that the Kurdistan Alliance bloc must be an Iraqi solution, stemming from the national will.
• Does this mean that ye have rejected the latest American proposals that are talked about a lot?
I do not want to go into details, if there are trends in order to give advice or assistance in the formation of the government or the position of certain countries stand out from all sides at the same distance, this is an act of a friend of the opposite, it would be counterproductive.
• What about calls from some parties to the intervention of religious reference?
Bookmark wise, and its sound, and stands of all the political blocs at the same distance, if unable to find the blocks for a solution to the crisis, I think I should intervene reference.
• Do you adhere to the post of President of the Republic?
Our position is clear, namely that the right of every Iraqi nomination for any position according to experience and efficiency, we see that President Jalal Talabani is the right person for this position, and the positions of President Talabani during the past period the best evidence on the causes of this commitment.
• This means that there is an agreement between the Kurdish masses on the distribution of positions?
It is important that positions should be by maturity, participation, experience and efficiency.
• the benefit that Tqsdonh, maturity or at a national election?
We have emphasized from the outset that we have observations on the election law because it does not equal between the votes in the provinces, the law was unfair, that the election outcome does not represent the real situation and the will of the voters of Iraq 100 percent, so we asked to amend the law and the value of the votes are equal, and that Iraq can not be calculated according to the House of Representatives, but must be calculated according to the pillars, as there are bi-fundamental elements in Iraq, with other nationalities is important, as there are main components are the Sunni Arabs and Shiite Arabs and Kurds, and therefore any form of the Iraqi state can not take that into account we consider « incorrectly reject ».
• the center of this picture, when you expect to form the new government?
This is difficult and I do not like to predict, but I'm optimistic, and there is hope for reaching an agreement during the month of Ramadan?
• Does this mean that the signs of a breakthrough in sight?
Features of détente began to appear since the visit of Prime Minister Prime coalition rule of law Nuri al-Maliki to Kurdistan, and the political blocs intensified dialogues, and we hope to reach a solution soon.
• away from the issue of government formation, what do you think Ballowaqain economic and service at the moment?
Unfortunately, the reality is service miserably, and that the next government will face difficulties, but we can not promise a citizen to achieve a leap between overnight, knowing that there is a job Dowba, but the next government to adopt a project to develop the economy and increase the production of electrical energy, but I'm afraid to come Time does not accept the one that served as the Ministry such as the Ministry of Electricity or the Ministry of service to the great challenges they may face, and therefore we must all work to support the current government and future, in addition to the need to support private sector investment, which in my opinion, the appropriate solution to meet the challenges and overcome them.
• What has the Committee to Protect Iraq's money?
The Committee to Protect Iraq's money was able to find a quick plan to win the trust of the international community, and this was confirmed by the latest report to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon which he pointed out the positive points made by Iraq during the past period, and the Commission seeks to resolve the outstanding problems and the settlement of contracts remaining in the oil for food program, and all these moves pave the way for the country out of pain Chapter VII, and the extension of the protection of Iraq's money until the adoption of a suitable alternative.
• Wayne became the International Covenant project file?
International Covenant project developed some years ago to support Iraq and its support in the beginning made a lot of the country, but years later, it had become necessary to make some changes in its structure and content, to be an Iraqi role the biggest and the international role of supporter and not a major, meaning that the project of the International Covenant in the process of amendment.
Alsabah
Shaways: Partnership differ from quotas and our potential with those who agree with us on 80 percent of the bids
بغداد – احمد العبيدي BAGHDAD - Ahmed al-Obeidi
Deputy Prime Minister and Head of the negotiating team for coalition blocs Kurdistan Rose Nuri Shaways that national partnership that is intended to put together the next government is different from the principle of quotas, declaring that the Kurds Sithalfon with the cluster in which they find a convergence of views, with 80 percent or more, according to proposals put forward by negotiating team.
Shaways said in an exclusive interview with »Sabah» The working paper included proposals Kurdish debatable depends on the Constitution and the principles of partnership and consensus, once again stuck Kurds Bmarcham for the presidency of President Jalal Talabani.
He also announced the start of a breakthrough in forming a government, noting that the ministry before the next great challenges, notably the services file, as it expressed concern that there comes a time when one does not accept to be appointed to the Ministry of Electricity Ministry or other service.
Project file and on the International Covenant, it was revealed Deputy Prime Minister for initiating an important amendments to the project, in the forefront of that run by Iraq.
The following is the text of the meeting:
• There is frustration in the Iraqi street by the delayed formation of the government, offset by the current negotiations question is serious or is it still in the exploratory stages and put conditions?
Delay in forming the government, because of the obstacles that have accompanied or followed the announcement of election results and the convergence between the blocs, either the current talks are serious and are based on two main points: the agreement on a candidate for prime minister, since all demand that the office of the share, and thus became the Kurds are playing a key role to bring the views between the blocks, either the other side of the discussions focuses on the basic principles and mechanism of the government and state institutions to achieve the national partnership.
• Some say that the principle of partnership will eliminate the role of the real opposition within the parliament?
We believe that the situation in Iraq is a sensitive and under these circumstances facing the country, come party and became an opponent amid the participation of all, the opposition going to be a negative role, because the interests of Iraq are overcoming the difficulties and out of the bottleneck based on the principle of national partnership, and then minimize the harm probably the case when facing future challenges, we have asked the government to be the next government of national partnership.
• How to Tell the partnership do you think?
Through the creation of new institutions and the distribution of powers, provided they do not conflict with the Constitution and that is one of our principles, and that the partnership should be in the cabinet depending on the internal system highlights the power and emphasizes teamwork, and this part of the proposals Kurdish we believe will bring the different points of view and will produce find participants for networking and understanding in the way of forming a government.
• But some observers say the partnership is another form of quotas?
Partnership differ from quotas, as the principle of true partnership is the balance, while the quota system is similar to the experience of Lebanon and the distribution of positions of nationalities and creeds, while the partnership that we advocate are equitably shared responsibility and partnership in decision-making.
• In the absence of real opposition in parliament and forming a government involving all parties, how will monitor and hold accountable those responsible negligent in their work?
The accounting and control should not be sent by the ill-treatment by block another, or defense official as falling short, we do not support this, as there are institutions in the country especially to monitor the work of those responsible and hold them accountable, and there within the Council of Representatives mechanisms to hold accountable minister negligent, as well In addition, the Partnership for Atghei duty of control enjoyed by the House of Representatives over the executive, and even if there was a government partnership must be based on the monitoring role of the objective.
• There are those who accuse the Kurds that they exploit the difference Arab - Arab to launch their own terms, and others say that the Kurds are waiting for an opportunity for an alliance with the biggest bloc, while critical of a number of Kurds, the Kurdistan Alliance bloc for staying away in time for negotiations to form a government?
At first there was an absence of the role of the Kurds because of the circumstances that accompanied the announcement of election results and then recount the votes counting and the ratification of the names of the new deputies, but when the parliamentary session began Kurdish delegation negotiating moves wide and presented a paper proposals, and then developed, and met with all the blocks and winning lists , but the Kurds not waiting for the strong to put up their own terms, or waiting to be certain that, as the Kurds is now trying to contribute in support of the democratic experiment, and they are Iraqis have the right to come up with proposals, particularly that these proposals are based on the Constitution and the principles of partnership and compromise is an essential part of Most of the demands of the political blocs.
• Are these proposals or demands are negotiable?
These demands are viable proposals for discussion and interpretation and agreed upon.
• If rejected the other blocs part of these proposals what will be your reaction, and if approved blocks on these proposals as part or whole with the Stthalfon?
We presented these proposals to the President of the Supreme Council of the Islamic al-Hakim and the candidates for the post of prime minister, to find out personal opinion and official to these proposals, in the case of blocs agreed to these proposals will be a road map, if there is to admit some of them refused to another department, it is our coordination with a particular party over another party according to the degree of acceptance, do not rule out that the decision Kurdish official to coordinate and work together to form a partnership government with the party line and his views with us by 80 percent or more, either in the event of the refusal blocks our demands fully Moshir .
• Kurdistan leader Massoud Barzani said more than once on the need to implement Article 140 of the Constitution is a prerequisite for the Alliance?
The position of President Barzani is with those who abide by the constitution as a whole and not as part of the non-selective or a particular interpretation.
• But Mr. Barzani said the Kurds Sithalfon veterans with their allies?
We consider our allies from the days we participated opposition and not just today.
• But some say that your allies are the Islamic Supreme Council and Dawa?
Dr. Iyad Allawi is also an old ally has been involved in the establishment of the modern state with us and other allies are there for us.
• If the blocks have reached an agreement to form a government, did not agree upon a certain block, what would be your position, especially with your attachment to the principle of partnership?
We are against the marginalization and exclusion, and the policy declared by all, was the formation of a government national partnership, it is important that everyone working on this direction, although in practice it could insist block on a certain position, and then the train to form a government will not stop, as it can not remain Talks are going on forever, especially since the delay affects the lives of the Iraqi people.
• Some observers believe that the political blocs have become over the Constitution, what is your comment?
Unfortunately there is a constitutional violation, and should have been not getting, although some may say: "The necessities justify the Mahaddourat, but for the Constitution, it provides clear deadlines for the formation of the Government, as there is no agreement on reference interpret the Constitution.
If we look for the reason of the late President of the Government it is the cluster that forms a government, Vaerakip adhere to this and the National Alliance does so well.
• Hdhirtm by the duration of an external intervention in case of delayed formation of the Cabinet, you have reached the signals you do it?
Interventions are by all parties, it was announced that the Kurdistan Alliance bloc must be an Iraqi solution, stemming from the national will.
• Does this mean that ye have rejected the latest American proposals that are talked about a lot?
I do not want to go into details, if there are trends in order to give advice or assistance in the formation of the government or the position of certain countries stand out from all sides at the same distance, this is an act of a friend of the opposite, it would be counterproductive.
• What about calls from some parties to the intervention of religious reference?
Bookmark wise, and its sound, and stands of all the political blocs at the same distance, if unable to find the blocks for a solution to the crisis, I think I should intervene reference.
• Do you adhere to the post of President of the Republic?
Our position is clear, namely that the right of every Iraqi nomination for any position according to experience and efficiency, we see that President Jalal Talabani is the right person for this position, and the positions of President Talabani during the past period the best evidence on the causes of this commitment.
• This means that there is an agreement between the Kurdish masses on the distribution of positions?
It is important that positions should be by maturity, participation, experience and efficiency.
• the benefit that Tqsdonh, maturity or at a national election?
We have emphasized from the outset that we have observations on the election law because it does not equal between the votes in the provinces, the law was unfair, that the election outcome does not represent the real situation and the will of the voters of Iraq 100 percent, so we asked to amend the law and the value of the votes are equal, and that Iraq can not be calculated according to the House of Representatives, but must be calculated according to the pillars, as there are bi-fundamental elements in Iraq, with other nationalities is important, as there are main components are the Sunni Arabs and Shiite Arabs and Kurds, and therefore any form of the Iraqi state can not take that into account we consider « incorrectly reject ».
• the center of this picture, when you expect to form the new government?
This is difficult and I do not like to predict, but I'm optimistic, and there is hope for reaching an agreement during the month of Ramadan?
• Does this mean that the signs of a breakthrough in sight?
Features of détente began to appear since the visit of Prime Minister Prime coalition rule of law Nuri al-Maliki to Kurdistan, and the political blocs intensified dialogues, and we hope to reach a solution soon.
• away from the issue of government formation, what do you think Ballowaqain economic and service at the moment?
Unfortunately, the reality is service miserably, and that the next government will face difficulties, but we can not promise a citizen to achieve a leap between overnight, knowing that there is a job Dowba, but the next government to adopt a project to develop the economy and increase the production of electrical energy, but I'm afraid to come Time does not accept the one that served as the Ministry such as the Ministry of Electricity or the Ministry of service to the great challenges they may face, and therefore we must all work to support the current government and future, in addition to the need to support private sector investment, which in my opinion, the appropriate solution to meet the challenges and overcome them.
• What has the Committee to Protect Iraq's money?
The Committee to Protect Iraq's money was able to find a quick plan to win the trust of the international community, and this was confirmed by the latest report to UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon which he pointed out the positive points made by Iraq during the past period, and the Commission seeks to resolve the outstanding problems and the settlement of contracts remaining in the oil for food program, and all these moves pave the way for the country out of pain Chapter VII, and the extension of the protection of Iraq's money until the adoption of a suitable alternative.
• Wayne became the International Covenant project file?
International Covenant project developed some years ago to support Iraq and its support in the beginning made a lot of the country, but years later, it had become necessary to make some changes in its structure and content, to be an Iraqi role the biggest and the international role of supporter and not a major, meaning that the project of the International Covenant in the process of amendment.
Alsabah
